I will only say once, that trying to read minds over the internet will not work well.
One or the other may be arrogant - but conversation does not work like this.
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QUOTE(caritas @ Sep 10 2007, 09:31 PM)
Ptah is a creator deity.
Ra is the solar cyclic who needs defense at night in his barque against Apep.
Amun is better because of origin and role, but has no enlightened doctrine, and is more of a king of the gods than conqueror and liberator.
There are appropriate manifestations of the kayas, and perhaps a deeper investigation of them, and their attributes, and portrayals, according to a legitimate course of study, would serve you well.
Ra is the solar cyclic who needs defense at night in his barque against Apep.
Amun is better because of origin and role, but has no enlightened doctrine, and is more of a king of the gods than conqueror and liberator.
There are appropriate manifestations of the kayas, and perhaps a deeper investigation of them, and their attributes, and portrayals, according to a legitimate course of study, would serve you well.
First of all, you have just insulted the Khemetian Religion, by accusing the Khemetians of being idolaters.
Anyone without emptiness view is some kind of idolater.
How do you intend to use the word.
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You've also assumed that I have not studied the attributes of the Kayas at all.
"deeper investigation" (quoted above) implies a precedent of shallower investigation, dear heart.
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The Khemetians understood the various deities to be impermanent, interdependent parts of a whole. Although, even this is a simplified explanation, as their Philosophies are comparable to that of the Tantras.
The people of the black earth were not so different from any farmers, warriors, and priests throughout history. In order to make your supposition tenable, it is not necessary to demonstrate parallelism of the psychosocial roles of specific ntr.w (the functions are inherent to mind after all; that is not a point under contention, please remember this), but it is necessary to provide tangible examples of applications of emptiness view native to the original practices, which would constitute a substantive foundation for comparison with actual buddhist mantrayana philosophy. Otherwise I would have to ask you to provide directly a philosophical text that compares favourably (not simply someone's opinion that there is such a favourable comparison in existence) and this would be difficult since such texts would have been written using md.w-ntr, and also since higher philosophy relies upon idiosyncratic and purposeful misuses of conventional language (even when written in special scripts).
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Every Religion is unique, exoterically.
Esoterically, there is only ONE Wisdom Religion, which manifests through many exoteric forms.
Esoterically, there is only ONE Wisdom Religion, which manifests through many exoteric forms.
Indeed, and that religion is buddhism.
Buddhism - the pursuit of awakening, beginning with methods of taming mind.
QUOTE(Upasaka @ Sep 12 2007, 06:57 PM)
One last thing here.
I would agree that Buddhism teaches about the Nature of Reality and existence more openly and unveiled than other Religions.
I would agree that Buddhism teaches about the Nature of Reality and existence more openly and unveiled than other Religions.
The question, however, is not merely 'which faith is more open and unveiled than other faiths', but rather, 'what is the source of what we are calling esoteric' - and is it legitimate to impose the definitions of that source onto culturally distinct systems of knowledge, and structures of faith, which do not evince equivalent foundations.
since ntr is a teaching
and the dharma is a teaching
do you worship the teachings?
(oh I know you don't seriously)
again an Idol is a thing that represents sometihng. So if I have the buddha (and I do) on my desk its a really nice visual reminder isnt it...its also 'sacred' as the teachings of the buddha are 'sacred' that little piece of thing is his symbolic representation of him. so in itself is my little spot where I have my 'respect' for the buddha darma. Its a piece of thing that has this sacred space.
Its all energetic really, but lets not get into that, as even the brain has electric impulses zinging through it, you give off energy /heat by mearly exsisting.... is 'your' space 'sacred' or 'clouded' ?
I wonder if people really thing that I 'worship' idols LOL seriously that is NOT the perspose of an idol... if you are into that kind of thing an idol is the piece of sacred space where the divin hangs out. still not worshiping the idol.....
Amun is empyt... he is nothing, he is everything, he is the undefinable.... ect ect ect blah blah
Mdu Ntr.... ah yes
the symbol
used in order not to confine the mind
you have symbols to...you use words in your sutras and your teachings.... some of that comes from other peoples interpritations (big can o worms there)
but in order to answer you I would have to quote The Temple in man to much (R.A. Schwaller de Lubicz) so it would probably save my arthritis for you to read it... The Mdu Ntr themselves are our teachings... and yeah that inclueds the text itself to....
diff vehicle.... same place
the persuit of awakending , beginning w/methods of taming the mind is reflected in the studdy of Ma'at and the wisdome text governing proper thought/action/ behavior.
I find it incredably entertaining that there is all this discussion about things that are 'seperate' when this thread is supposed to cover. that which is consistant and parallell esp since as far as I know, no one else here is an aprentice shemsu... dont get me wrong you have valid points in arguing w/eachother... but uhm lol yeah.... I am very happy w/your comments when it pertains to things Im actually atempting to point out. but Im not sure why there is arguing amongst yourselves about a tradition that 'you' are not studdying??? heehee
now why, I wonder is this happening? Is it because we as 'ego' things believing 'our' way is the right an only way toward enlightement cand deal w/the idea that there is a differant way to the same place because the languages/words and vehicles differ?
or is it because as being in this incarnation and being ensnared by this ego we truely believe we are seperate because that is the way all 'appears' as if you and I are completely seperate and I am seperate and just dangling here in the univers and not a ctualy a part /piece or am the univers
My friends. I started this thread for discusson of 'consistancies' things that are 'simalar' because I find that a beautiiful thing\
this going back and forth on the things that which segrigate us are illusions of a clouded mind and are useless... Im sure some one can have a more productive time meditating than to come to this bord w/the 'verbal' crow bar and try to seperate eachother more insted of
well Im sure you get the point
Im not seeing the point in descussing the differances when my point
was for the consistancies
We are all Ntr.
oh I think the foundation my be diff, but the destination reamains the same.
and more importatntly
my hindu friend said to me that namaste means I bow the devinity in you
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